I wanted to thank you all who participated in my previous post which I considered a small social experiment. Knowing full well that most of the posts that I was going to receive were not going to be from conservatives but still knowing who reads this little site, I wanted to see what the reaction to the story would be, I will explain in a second.
First, good job to those of you who said they would join some group if Islam was not available. From the article: “And for Western youths, taking up Islam can also serve as an outlet for rebellion. A majority of converts, especially in Western Europe, are in their late teens or 20s” (Time, August 28, 2006, p.37). And from “Farhad Khosrokhavar, a Paris professor and the author of several books on Muslim extremism. ‘Previously – say, 20 years ago – they may have chosen communism or gone to leftist ideologies. Now Islam is the religion of those who fight against imperialism, who are treated unjustly by the arrogant Western societies and so on’” (Time, August 28, 2006, p.37). Another reason given is because of the relative ease to convert to Islam as compared to Judaism or Catholicism which can take years of study and preparation. “In Islam, the process is called reversion (because islam literally means “submission to God,”
Believers hold that everyone is born Muslim), and it’s mainly a matter of uttering a two-line declaration of faith, the Shahadah. Say the Shahadah aloud in Arabic, and the conversion is complete” (Time, August 28, 2006, p.37).
So you all were correct that these converts would have most likely joined some radical group if Islam was not available, but that it is and because it is so easy to convert, there are some who have made the religious conversion.
And now for the reaction that the post received. If you read again, Time magazine says the most common reason for conversion to Islam as the “increasingly secular world in which society’s rules get looser by the day” (Time, August 28, 2006, p.37). There are two parts to this, both a more “secular world” and a society where the “rules get looser by the day.” Everyone who commented on me saying “So for those of you against “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, or against school prayer, or against nativity scenes, or against posting the 10 Commandments in schools or public buildings, or against Christmas Trees in public areas,” jumped on this as some sort of radical Christian ideology that could be equated to a radical Islamic ideology. But, how many of you are really against “Under God” and want it removed from the Pledge of Allegiance? How many of you are against the freedom of expression of school prayer if not required by the schools and instead prevented by after school clubs, by sports teams before games, or at graduations? How many of you would protest a nativity scene? How many of you believe there is no value in teaching the morality included in the 10 Commandments? Yes, you may disagree with teaching the first 3 Commandments, but what about the rest? And how many of you are offended by an evergreen tree raised in a public area in December, covered in lights and decorations, and than called a Christmas tree?
But more importantly, you all ignored “or for those of you for legalizing drugs and prostitution, or for those of you for easing restrictions on pornography, think about what you are doing.” This is where I attacked a society where the “rules get looser by the day.” How many of you are for any of these activities? And yet, it was as if you forgot about this part, or ignored it, or only saw what you wanted to see.
The problem here, and it is something that I am guilty of as well, was that you threw the baby out with the bathwater. By finding one part you disagreed with you dismissed the entire argument.
And for the examples:
Rogue Mariner said... So by not falling rank and file with Christianity, I'm letting the terrorists win. That's great. So when do we just go ahead and throw Freedom of Religion out?
quakerdave said... So, if I'm not with you, I'm with "the terrorists"? Well, smack me down and call me Ali-Akbar, I guess. Fundamentalism, no matter in whose name it's practiced, is inherently wrong.
Alec said...
Sooooooo...from your post, I retain the following: 4) Therefore, we should adopt the practices of our enemy, albeit with a slightly different creed and a slightly better PR job, to beat our enemy. Or, you know, we could just realize that the core of the problem is religious fundamentalism, and work to stamp it out wherever it rears its ugly head. And yes, even when it is guised in the clothing of Marxism or similar "comprehensive" worldviews.
Brooke was the only one who seemed to find meaning in the post rather than dismiss it:
Brooke said... I think these guys would've found something nasty to get into no matter what.... But Islam DID afford them the opportunity to do evil in this case!
Thank you for taking part. I hope you see the intentions of both posts. I was hoping for more input for more views, but I guess I am just not all that popular. The purpose of this was to show that just because you might disagree with part of something does not mean it is all wrong. An anything goes society is just as dangerous and just as much of a breeding ground for terrorists, rebellious youths, and radical fundamentalism regardless of ideology.