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Tuesday, August 08, 2006

Toby Keith

A comment was made on my little site here about Toby Keith being willing to write and sing pro-war songs but not being willing to actually carry a gun and go to war. The problem though is that Toby Keith is 45 years old and according to Time magazine the age limit for enlisting in the Army was just raised from just under 40 to just shy of 42 (Time, August 14, 2006).
So Keith is too old to join, but there are few musicians who support the troops and play for the troops more than Toby Keith.


Blogger quakerdave said...

Okay, I'll bite: Did he go when he had the chance?


Wed Aug 09, 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger Rogue Mariner said...

Toby Keith, is another one, like Madonna, he knows what he has to do to sell records, and he's cashing in on the war. In this case, I'm not a fan of it. I'll give credit where credit is due, he talks tough on the war, and does entertain troops, when alot of celebs won't go. One of my favorites, Henry ROllins has gone a number of times, all the while being against the war. Politics aside, Toby Keith is a tool.

Wed Aug 09, 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

"Cashing in on the war."

Sounds about right. Kind of like a song title...

Wed Aug 09, 10:50:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Rogue, ok you don’t like Toby Keith, I get it. I do. Too much of country music these days is “pop” but at least there are still some country artists like Keith and Jackson who make music that sounds more like Willie and less like Brittany.
But no QD, he did not go in 1991. He worked in the Oklahoma oil fields before playing semi-pro football and then went into the music industry full-time before making any sort of name for himself after the war was already over. And if singing songs in favor of American and the troops is “cashing in on the war” what do you call all the “artists” who sing songs against the war? Are they just honest musicians who care about social issues or are they “cashing in against the war?”

Wed Aug 09, 11:04:00 PM  
Blogger Rogue Mariner said...

I liked Alan Jackson's song, basically because it was obviously very heart felt, and it was a one and done deal. He did it, and he let it go. I don't know what Country sounding like warmed over 70's pop rock has to do with anything, but I'll give you that at least Keith is "Country." As for artists that are singing against the war, how much air time are they getting? For the most part they get labeled as crackpots, and being un-American. So much for freedom of speech. Ask Steve Earle how well "John Walker's Blues" worked out for him.

Thu Aug 10, 05:37:00 AM  
Blogger Oncorhynchus Mykiss said...

Whoa now! Toby Keith is THE QUINTESSENTIAL pop country musician! There is no male country musician out there more "pop" country than Keth, except for maybe Tim McGraw with his crossover hits (the McGraw of now, not 1996). When you hear a Toby Keith song, politics and war support aside, you know it will be an over-produced, silly song with some sort of shtick that real country musicians would laugh at. I'm not saying he sucks, I think all of his stuff is catchy and Beer for my Horses was one of my favorite drinkin songs for years, but traditional country he is not. Sorry Pub, it's been a while since I've been here, but I couldnt let that go.

Thu Aug 10, 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Two words for y'all:

Johnny. Cash. No man comes close, or ever will.

September 12, 2003. The day the (real country/roots) music died.

Thu Aug 10, 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Rogue, I could not tell you how mush air-time the anti-war musicians are getting, I only listen to country and classic rock, and country musicians are not anti-war except for the Dixie Chicks and the classic rock stations only play old songs. But, from what I understand Green Day’s last CD which was anti-war did very well and was up for a Grammy. But, I was mostly talking about why I like Toby Keith and Jackson, and luckily I can listen to two Fredericksburg Country stations that don’t play watered down country, and instead I get a lot of Willie, Waylan, Johnny, Keith, Jackson, Strait, Byrd, and Daniels.
My kiss, sure his songs that get videos and air-play are over produced and not pure country, but if you listen to the tracks on his album they are. No, not like Hank Williams I, but more like the Highwaymen.
QD, did you get Cash’s V CD? I bought it and it is in the car, but I have not put it in the changer yet.

Fri Aug 11, 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger Oncorhynchus Mykiss said...

I have the American V album...not bad, but not as good as some of the others. I guess it's hard to go out with your best album if you don't know when you're going to die. At least I don't.

Fri Aug 11, 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Publius said...

MyKiss, I actually read a review for V before it came out, and from what I understand it is not going to be Cash’s last album, and instead there is a VI planned.

Fri Aug 11, 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Ohmigod, pubdude: PLAY IT!

I have purchased all of the "American Recordings" CDs ("III" is my favorite), and the boxed set, and I will buy whatever else comes out of all this mining of the vaults that Columbia is doing. This stuff is amazing.

Fri Aug 11, 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger Gregor said...

It never fails. Whenever a liberal questions a person's service in the military ... it's because they themselves have never served.

I spent 6 years on active duty and every time I question a liberal's manhood, they whine and say ... "well I don't see YOU joining," lol.

They want everything for free, including their freedom.

Mon Aug 14, 02:03:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Yes, that explains it. Questioning somebody's jingoistic and cavalier attitudes about sending someone else's kids off to die for no good reason is "whining" and being ungrateful.

No. It's questioning people's hypocrisy. There's no intellectual inconsistency there. I didn't go: I don't want others to go. So don't tell me I should go - or that my sons should go - if you (not you, but folks like Toby here) didn't or won't yourself.

I get to ask those questions because I'm an American. And we don't all "serve" by carrying weapons.

Mon Aug 14, 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Actually QD, I think you do only serve by carrying. It is one of the reasons that I think only someone who has served should send others to war because they know what war is really like. This use to not be a problem because of WWI and WWII. Yes I know that FDR and Nixon did not serve, but JFK, Reagan, and Bush I did serve. I think those who serve no better than those who don’t when it comes time to decide. Remember it seems like Powell was the only one who didn’t really want this war, and I think there was a reason for that.

Mon Aug 14, 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger Rogue Mariner said...

Now we're getting down to the definition of "serve." Some people don't join the military because it's not the right choice for them. Some people don't go to college because it's not the right choice for them. Some people are liberal and some people are conservative. We're all American. I don't get Gregor's "every time I question a liberal's manhood" bit...That would be like me saying, "every time I question a conservatives inability to think for themselves." I think we all appreciate your service to the Country, dude, but I don't think it makes you any more "American" than those of us who didn't join.

Tue Aug 15, 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

(Checking my copy of the Constitution for the part that says having worn a military uniform is part of the mandatory requirements for running for elected office...) So "service" to one's country only means one thing: wearing a *military* uniform and carrying a weapon. So doctors, nurses, firefighters, police officers (okay, so they have guns, too, but...), EMTs, paramedics, rescue workers, couselors,, teachers (shameless self-promotion, yes), priests, parsons, pastors, rabbis, imams, volunteers, people who give blood, etc. and so on, they don't count somehow? They serve their fellow Americans but because they don't wear one of five particular uniforms (folks always forget the Coast Guard), they don't "serve"?

Just asking...

(I seem to recall - correct me if I'm wrong - that Ronald Reagan's "service" consisted of working in Hollywood during the war. By your definition, Jimmy Stewart should have been president ahead of him.

Wait... that would've been a good idea...)

Tue Aug 15, 10:48:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

QD, no people get elected all the time and never served in the military. But, I think it is better to have those who did send our soldiers off to war than someone who has never been there. Perhaps is more of our leaders knew what war was like, they might not be so eager to send others to die.
And of the occupations you listed, I would not count any of them as serving one’s country. I think you only “serve” if you are in the military, work as a politician, or work for the Peace Corp or similar occupation. I might also add some government jobs as well; working for the State Department, CIA, FBI, etc. Being a Priest does not mean you are serving your country, you are serving the Church, but not your country.
And Reagan never started a war, sure he brought about some armed conflicts, but no wars, and in fact he did more to end the Cold War than those Presidents who sent our soldiers off to die and Reagan did it without firing a shot.

Sun Aug 20, 03:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you know anyone who could get my song heard by toby - or tim. i just wrote a new one and think toby would love to play it for the troops..........

it's here:

thanks for your help

Mon Jan 05, 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Tony McLean said...

Chicken hawk.

Sat Nov 04, 12:19:00 PM  

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