Protect and Defend

Welcome to my blog, Protect and Defend. You don’t have to understand me. You only have to agree with me. I can live with losing the good fight, but I can not live with not fighting that good fight at all. - Publius

Saturday, August 05, 2006

Mel Gibson

I know I have not yet discussed the recent incident that befell Hollywood’s most famous Catholic, but as the press and every two-bit comedian has begun to attack Mel, it is time to discuss and to defend Mel Gibson. This is the story from Thursday’s Washington Post (August 3, 2006, C7).

Mel Gibson was charged Wednesday with misdemeanor drunken driving, having an elevated blood-alcohol level and having an open container of liquor in his car.
The three counts were filed by Los Angeles County prosecutors five days after Gibson was pulled over on Malibu's Pacific Coast Highway for speeding. He allegedly made anti-Semitic comments to the arresting deputy.
The open-container violation, for a bottle of tequila allegedly found in his car, is an infraction of the vehicle code.
The charges did not mention Gibson's self-described "belligerent behavior" toward the deputy or any allegation of speeding. Arraignment was set for Sept. 28 in Malibu Superior Court.
If convicted, Gibson could face up to six months in jail, the district attorney's office said.
The sheriff's department said Gibson was stopped at 2:36 a.m. Friday after being seen speeding at 87 mph in a 45 mph zone. Authorities said his blood-alcohol level tested at 0.12 percent. A California driver is legally intoxicated at 0.08 percent.
According to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity, the sheriff's report says Gibson told the arresting deputy, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asked him, "Are you a Jew?"
Gibson has issued two public apologies since then, and his publicist, Alan Nierob, has said the actor-director was in an ongoing program for alcohol abuse before the arrest and has entered another, on an outpatient basis.
Gibson, 50, has had a troubled relationship with Jewish organizations since his 2004 blockbuster "The Passion of the Christ," which some criticized for portraying Jews as responsible for the death of Jesus. Supporters say the movie merely followed the Gospel story.
Gibson's apologies weren't accepted by former TV producer Merv Adelson, who took out an ad in Wednesday's Los Angeles Times blasting movie studio heads for not strongly and publicly condemning Gibson.
"Let's make ourselves proud and NOT support this JERK in any way, just because he's a so called 'star,' " wrote Adelson, co-founder of Lorimar Productions, which produced the TV hits "Eight Is Enough" and "The Waltons."
The sheriff's department has denied allegations of a coverup that stem from an initial account that described the arrest as occurring without incident and that made no mention of Gibson's remarks to the deputy.
An independent county office that investigates allegations of wrongdoing by the department announced after a preliminary review that the arrest was handled within policy.
But the head of the agency, Michael Gennaco, said Tuesday that he wouldn't have described the arrest as being without incident, and that he couldn't say whether the department tried to shield Gibson's remarks from the public when the original arrest report was ordered modified and the comments placed in a supplemental report.
In a related matter, sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said it was not a violation of department policy when a sergeant drove Gibson to a tow yard to retrieve his car after being cited and released on his own recognizance.
"It's within our policy to help people out and also to avoid a possible conflict," Whitmore said, describing the brief trip in a patrol car. "We didn't want Mr. Gibson to get into any kind of disturbance with the paparazzi."

First of all, as anyone who has ever drank more than a drop of alcohol knows your BAC is really a pointless means to determine how drunk you actually are. Mel Gibson has been listed between 5’8” and 5’11” in height and a weight of between 165 and 214 pounds. If we assume Mel Gibson is 200 pounds, and was partying for 3 hours before he decided to get into his car to drive home, if he was drinking 100 Proof Tequila and had six shots, his BAC would be 0.12375000000000001% or above the 0.12% he was reported as having (from That means 1 shot ever half an hour over the course of 3 hours. I am not saying he wasn’t above the legal limit and that what he did wasn’t wrong in drinking and driving, but as you can see for someone with an admitted alcohol problem, 6 shots or 6 mixed drinks which would have 1.5 shots in them and not 1 shot, is very easy to do. Even 5 shots or 5 mixed drinks with only 1 shot of liquor in them over the course of 3 hours would give a person a BAC of 0.095625 %. The fact that the police let him drive home and took him back to his car shows that his BAC reached a level below .08% that it was possible to allow him to drive again.
Second, Gibson was driving recklessly by going 87 in a 45; 20 miles per hour over is reckless and obviously 42 m.p.h. over is reckless driving and doing it while intoxicated is worse. There is no excuse for doing either.

I don’t know what if anything Mel Gibson said to the arresting officers. There was nothing in the original arrest report and any anti-Semitic remarks only came to light from some celebrity website. Mel Gibson made a mistake by drinking and driving and he made another mistake by driving recklessly while under the influence and he should be punished accordingly. But, no one was hurt. Gibson did not murder anyone like some of his Hollywood, political, or athletic counterparts, Gibson was not using an illegal substance and getting arrested like some of his Hollywood, political, and athletic counterparts, and Gibson did not rape anyone like some of his Hollywood, political, and athletic counterparts. Gibson has admitted in the past to being an alcoholic and this was an example of the dangers that can occur when someone abuses a substance or has a disease like alcoholism.
There is proof that Gibson broke the law and he should be punished for doing so. But, there is as of yet no evidence to prove he made any anti-Semitic remarks, so he should not be slandered by the media for something that is no proof that he did.

I am a fan of Mel Gibson, as an actor, a director, a family man, and a Catholic and I will continue to be a fan. Gibson does hold some deep religious beliefs and that has made him an outcast in Hollywood and I believe a target. Those bashing him are doing so for their own personal gain. One act of stupidity does not make a bad person, and Gibson is not a bad person. I like Mel Gibson, I support Mel Gibson, and I will continue to like and support Mel Gibson. AND even if his alleged remarks are ever proven to be true, I will still like and support Mel Gibson.


Blogger quakerdave said...

Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic remarks are not present in the police report - apparently - because they were *removed from the original report.* Tampering with an official police report is itself, I thought, a crime. This tampering has been widely reported: I don't doubt the truth of it. But celebrities get unequal treatment all the time. Remember OJ?

Mr. Gibson is apparently a pretty good buddy to the LA County Sheriff's department, having done a PSA for them (wearing a uniform) and donating lots of money to the department over the years. He was recorded on video saying that "cops visit" his house "all the time." One might leap (a short jump) to the conclusion that he got some prefential treatment, as he apparently has before, considering reports of him being pulled over and then let go a couple times in the previous two or three years.

Drunk drivers kill thousands of people in the contry every year, far more than the number of people who die using illegal drugs. One wonders what the response would have been if St. Braveheart had killed a young mother and her child with his car, due to his irresponsible behavior, as happened in our town recently. No, he didn't kill anyone. But he sure as heck could have, or himself.

For what it's worth, I believe addiction is a medical problem. But drunk driving is a crime. If you're over the limit - whatever it is - you should go to JAIL if you are careless and stupid enough to get behind the wheel.

Alcohol also makes people stupid. But what makes us think that excessive alcohol use makes someone suddenly anti-Semitic? Of ALL the things Mr. Gibson could have referenced - aliens from Mars, the Illuminati, the Bilderburgers, the friggin' DaVinci Code - WHY did he start ranting about JEWS?

You have every right to like him and his movies. I have every right - especially as someone who loves his Jewish brother-in-law as I would blood kin - to despise what he apparently believes. And I will pray that something touches his heart and makes him realize that, if these statements really do represent what he said that night, he is wrong.

No, one act doesn't make him a bad guy. But what he does from here on out will tell us a lot about what he really is. And I don't think much is going to change.

And, if he's such a good family guy, what was he doing out so late drinking with all those women who posed for cell phone pictures with him? Why wasn't he at HOME? Just askin'.

Sat Aug 05, 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

QD, many fine points there.
We do know that “stars” get preferential treatment and especially rich stars. I doubt we know 10% of the things that stars do that the average person would get locked away for if they were caught.
But, you mentioning the activities that Gibson has done in support of the LAPD only makes me like him more. I know more than a few cops and I know how difficult their jobs and lives can be, so anyone who goes out of their way to support the police as you have said Gibson did only gets more support from me.
As for the response if he had killed someone while drinking and driving, well first he did not kill anyone, so there is no argument to be made there, and second, I said what he did was wrong and even he has said what he did was wrong. So there is no argument there either.
But, once again, other than some celebrity gossip website, where is the evidence that he made any rant against the Jews? And of what he accused of, it was that the Jews start all the wars and he asked the cop if he was Jewish. If Adam Sandler, the creator and singer of the Hanukkah Song, had been arrested and said Christians are responsible for all the wars and asked the cop if he was a Baptist, would there be such a media firestorm?
As far as him being a family guy, unless QD you can say you have never been out on the town without your wife, I would ask you about your glass house and the pile of rocks by the door. As far as him taking pictures with a bunch of younger girls, he is a celebrity and a very famous and rich one, and considered one of the better looking men in Hollywood. I am sure there are constantly people asking to take a photo with him. If I was there I would ask, and I would probably put my arm around him too posing like a drunken idiot.

No, it was not his finest hour, but show me anyone who is perfect.

Sun Aug 06, 02:13:00 AM  
Blogger mistyforeverlost said...

If all he said was the comment about Jews starting all the wars and asked if the cop was a Jew and the conversation ended...I would have to wonder how he is against Jews.

Especially considering current events in the ME that appears to divide many nations, including our own. For all we know, if the cop answered "yes" it would have been followed by "do you support Israel?" If he would have said "not" it very well could have been followed by "Do you support Israel?"

We have no clue and the sentence that was stated isn't enough for anyone to conjecture about whether or not he is anti-jew. Passions isn't even enough, all he did was depict what the bible states happened. Who killed Jesus? Fellow Christians? I think not.

Nail for drunk driving, it's illegal...get him back into re-hab and pray that he heals and learns. Otherwise, that mother and child of which you mentioned could be a victim.

Sun Aug 06, 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Well, this may shock you, but I DON'T go "out on the town" without my wife. I have a lot more fun with her than without her. That's a fact.

And, Mr. Gibson himself is not denying what he reportedly said that night. Why would he be going through all this public handwringing and "bridge-building" if he "didn't" say anything wrong?

No one is perfect. That's for sure. But far fewer amongst us are raving anti-Semites.

"Did you father tell you the Holocaust never happened?"

"My father never lied to me."

And I support "cops," too. My nephew just grduated from the Rutgers law enforcement program and wants to be a state trooper. We are all very proud of him.

Sun Aug 06, 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

... and hopefully he can spell *graduated*...

Sun Aug 06, 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

QD, Gibson was not out of town but a few miles from home, and since I know what you do for a living, I think we can both agree your job and Gibson’s job are not quite the same. His career requires him to go out of town and often without his family. That he was out on the town without his wife and posing for pictures with other people at some party he was attending does not mean he is not some family man. If anything, I think it shows he is a gregarious person. How many other famous people would throw a punch, Sean Penn, if someone wanted their photo while they were out at a private event? Instead, Gibson posed in the pictures, and if you look, he even made them look like the people he was with were life-long friends. If I had been in one of the photos with him, I would have already gotten the film to Kodak, gotten the photo blown-up, and it would be framed on my wall here in front of the cpu. And I don’t think he said anything offensive if the comments he allegedly said are correct. Are they drunken and a bit stupid comments? Well sure, but not wrong. I still want to know what you think the reaction would be if it were Adam Sandler and he had made the comments I suggested.

Misty, he was wrong in drinking and driving and reckless driving, here defined as speeding, not swerving or making an illegal turn. I think I showed how he could not have been all that drunk considering his BAC; five mixed drinks in 3 hours is not a lot. And you are right, there was nothing in The Passion that was not in the Bible. From what I remember in the Bible, it was not the Romans who were so thirsty for Jesus’s death, but the Jewish hierarchy. And it was not the Christians who wanted Jesus dead, because all the Christians were followers of Jesus, and the Romans were still Pagan.

Sun Aug 06, 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Adam Sandler? When he makes a movie that makes it look like the Christians killed a whole lot of the Jews during the Inquisition, amongst other times and in other places, and when it turns out that he can't quite bring himself to disagree with Dear Old Dad, who says that most organized "Christian" faiths stood by and did nothing while millions of Jews were slaughtered during the Holocaust, I'll have a beef with him...

Wait a minute... er...

Sun Aug 06, 11:03:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

So QD, do you not like Gibson because of the movie The Passion? If so, tell me what in that movie was inaccurate?

Mon Aug 07, 12:28:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Can't comment on a movie I have not seen, nor which I have any desire at all whatsoever to see. My faith focuses on Jesus's teachings. I don't need to see a graphic depiction of a person being flogged nearly to death to get the point. Ultra-violent films do nothing for me. The fact that people I know and whose opinions I trust and respect have filled me in on the anti-Semitic aspects of the film also tell me I don't want to put any money into Mr. Gibson's already well-filled pockets.

Besides, I read the book. The movie's never as good.

So go ahead and rip me for condemning something I haven't seen. I don't have to see "Hostel" or "Saw" (or "The Waterboy") to know I won't like those, either.

You asked me about Adam Sandler. You got my answer.

We are absolutely NEVER going to reach any sort of agreement on anything having to do with this. The man said what he said. I think he believes it. You don't. We can both think what we want. You're telling me your research says he wasn't all that "under the influence" to begin with. So he has less of an excuse. He obviously has a drinking problem. I hope he gets well.

He also has a thinking problem. I'll pray he gets better in that department, too.

Mon Aug 07, 12:51:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Besides, you don't think what he said was "offensive" or "wrong." That doubles the chances we won't ever agree here.

I'm done.

Mon Aug 07, 12:53:00 AM  
Blogger mistyforeverlost said...

Hey QD, it is pretty common knowledge that some of the worst holy wars in past history where Christians against Christians. Especially during the early formations of the many different denominations. Before Catholics were Catholics (and just labeled "christians"), they had huge wars against arian's, pagans, jews and anyone else who was a "heretic." Death, banishment. It's not made up stuff, it's history of Christianity.

And yes, unless you see the movie and the depiction of the Jews as well as the Christians, you really should not be speaking about whether or not it depicts Jews in a poor light. Remember, at the time, they were ALL Jewish and it wasn't until AFTER Jesus died that Christianity came into existance.

Some Jews were depicted rather well (both the followers of Jesus as well as the non-followers) and others were depicted poorly (Mainly the ones who subjected Jesus to die on the cross with other "criminals")

Mon Aug 07, 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Yeah, well, I'll also take your word for it. I still won't see it. Not. Interested.

Mon Aug 07, 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger Publius said...

It is not a movie you are going to “enjoy.” It is more a documentary as far as I am concerned. I still think it is an important and worthwhile movie to see, but I have always liked period pieces because they give us some sort of understanding of what life and times were like. Yes, they are often interpretations, but I think they are still very valuable because often we forget and especially young people forget that history is more than what we read in books but it was a period of time that actually existed and these movies make it all the more real.

Mon Aug 07, 03:22:00 PM  

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