Protect and Defend

Welcome to my blog, Protect and Defend. You don’t have to understand me. You only have to agree with me. I can live with losing the good fight, but I can not live with not fighting that good fight at all. - Publius

Saturday, August 05, 2006

I hope Madonna Falls Off and…

From the Associated Press, August 4, 2006.

ROME (AP) -- Madonna's plans to stage a mock crucifixion during a Sunday concert in Rome have drawn fire from religious leaders, who have condemned the stunt as "an act of open hostility" toward the Roman Catholic Church.
During the concerts of her "Confessions" world tour, the American diva appears crucified on a mirrored cross while wearing a crown of thorns.
The prospect of the scene being repeated at the concert in Rome's Olympic stadium, some 2 miles from the Vatican, prompted Catholic officials to denounce the act as a publicity stunt in bad taste.
"To crucify yourself in the city of the pope and the martyrs is an act of open hostility," Cardinal Ersilio Tonini was quoted as saying in La Stampa daily on Wednesday. "It's a scandal created on purpose by astute merchants to attract publicity."
Muslim and Jewish leaders also condemned the fake crucifixion.
"It's not the first time Madonna stages such an act. We deplore it, we feel it is an act of bad taste," said Mario Scialoja, the president of the Muslim World League in Italy.
"We express solidarity with the Catholic world," said Riccardo Pacifici, spokesman for Rome's Jewish community. "It's a disrespectful act, and to do it in Rome is even worse."
In May, the Catholic League in the United States expressed its discontent for the stunt after Madonna performed it at the tour's opening concert in Inglewood, California…
Following concerts throughout North America, the "Confessions" tour continues through Sept. 21 with dates in Europe and Japan.
In an e-mail to The Associated Press on Thursday, the singer's New York-based spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, said: "Madonna does not think Jesus would be mad at her, as his teaching of loving thy neighbor and tolerance is Madonna's message as well. The context of Madonna's performance on the crucifix is not negative nor disrespectful toward the church."

Now, I have never claimed to be the most pious or holy of Catholics, and I will freely admit that I do not live my life 100% in-step with the teachings of either the Church or Jesus; some people are cross-carrying-Christians and some are sword-carrying-Christians and I am the second. But, that Madonna would do this at all and much less in what I believe to be the holiest place on Earth, Rome and the Vatican, and then to believe that her message is the same as Jesus’s, makes me hope for the worst for her. And I mean the absolute worst, whatever that may be. Her portrayal as the crucified Jesus is deplorable and despicable, and that she has already done it here in the US and it made such little news and that she plans on doing it in Rome and it has made such little news, makes me enraged. This is not art, this is not self-expression, this is an act of disrespect against the Catholic Church, against Christianity, and against my religious beliefs. This woman is evil and I wish her no joy or happiness so long as she lives.


Blogger Wadical said...

She'll get hers in good time, my friend. All in good time.

Sat Aug 05, 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Madonna offending people. Now there's breaking news.

This is self-expression, and she's exercising her right to it. That right does give us all the right to do (and say, esp. when under the influence, apparently) really stupid and offensive things. I find this offensive. I also find the Klan offensive, and mel Gibson, for that matter. I'd be more offended if some law prevented her from being so stupid.

And how is she going to "get hers", exactly? What's with the threats?

Sat Aug 05, 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger betmo said...

have you seen the 'like a prayer' video. the woman has been doing this since the beginning of her career. to me- it is just business as usual for madonna. no- i am not a fan of her or her music.

Sat Aug 05, 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Anyone remember Alice Cooper? Now he's a tea-totaling, golf playing, born-again Christian supporter of God's Own Party.

Someday, Miss Like-a-Virgin here will be playing a double-bill with scary old Marilyn Manson on a reunion tour in Las Vegas and Atlantic City.

She got what she wanted. We're talking about her.

Sat Aug 05, 10:48:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

QD, when is enough enough though? When do we say, you have crossed the line.
And no, I don’t consider this free expression in the same way you don’t consider the Klan free expression. Would it be free expression if a Klansmen burned a cross in his own yard? What if the Klan got a permit to hold a march down the street or on the steps of a public building? And if you disagree with those, how is it free expression to do her performance in Rome?
As for threats, what could I possibly do? But, as I said at the end there of my post, I wish her no joy or happiness for the rest of her days.

I don’t remember Alice Cooper, other than the washed-up rocker that appears of nostalgia shows with his snake, or playing celebrity golf. But, I do find Madonna’s actual actions more offensive than any alleged actions by Mel Gibson, but who is the media attacking?

Sun Aug 06, 02:20:00 AM  
Blogger mistyforeverlost said...

The reason it doesn't cause a stir in the US is because we are so used to her pathetic attempt to offend people and get herself in the media, most don't bother giving her the time of the day to bother getting upset.

You have just done what she wanted. You gave her press time. She has always stated that she is not the best singer, she is not a beautiful woman...but she is one hell of a marketing person. She's proven her point again.

The Klan CAN get a permit to march down the street and they CAN burn a cross (if they have the permit to do so). The SkinHeads or White Supremicists (in cahoots with the Klan) of the US do it all the time.

The right to self-expression is afforded to ALL American's. Offensive or not. It' there. Take it away from one based on "I'm offended" and we are no longer America.

Sun Aug 06, 08:55:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Hey, I did say that I find this to be a very offensive act. Five years ago, I would've ignored it. Now it bugs me. But, she has the RIGHT to do it. If you want to say she crossed a line, fine. What would you do about her stepping over said line? Ban her performance? You're making my point. If my neighbor the Klans-knucklehead (we are talking hypothetically here: my neighbors are sweethearts) wants to burn his own cross in his own yard, he can. He can parade up and down the street in his bedclothes if he has a permit. And I can ignore him or heckle him if I want.

Of COURSE she playing this gig in Rome. It's all part of the scam. Which is an awful lot of what contemporary music is: a scam, not music. Look at "American Idol." You don't like Madonna? Don't buy her CDs. Don't buy tickets to her shows. She's just being a good capitalist, after all: sensationalism sells. (Ask Mel. He knows.)

You know who else bugs me? Toby Keith. Charlie Daniels. Ted Nugent. All that phony testosterone-fueled tough talk. How come Toby isn't overseas fighting the bad guys: he looks young and healthy enough to me.

My parents thought Alice Cooper and KISS were agents of the anti-Christ back in the early '70s. That only made me want to see them more. My very first concert was the KISS show at the Philly Civic Center, the first time they hit town. I told my parents I was going to a pro lacrosse game. Now they're a lounge act and a fixture on VH-1 "remember when?" shows.

In other words, this too shall pass.

{And I still want to know why people like "wadical" always are sure to include veiled threats in their comments. Every problem - including this one - has to have a fist or gun as part of the solution? No wonder the world is so screwed up...}

Sun Aug 06, 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

I find what Madonna is doing as offensive, and because so few people know about what she has done with this fake crucifixion in LA and plans to do it in Rome, I wanted people to know so they too can be outraged and so they too know not to support her or anything she does.
I understand the argument that if we ban offensive speech then what is next, semi-offensive speech, or speech that offends some but not others. But, we do ban speech and expression. Look at Network television and what they can say and show as compared to HBO because we have different standards for the two. Think about what you can and can not say on the radio. We don’t allow X-rated pornography on television unless it is pay-per-view or some kind of pseudo-educational program. There is a reason for it. We can not let people and we don’t let people just say anything, do anything, or show anything just because they want to or think it is protected. We ban certain types of free speech already. Don’t think we live in a country of complete freedom of speech, and that is a good thing. The only problem is that we live in a country that already allows too much free speech.
And QD, Toby Keith is not in Iraq because he is 45 years old, and even if he wanted to go over there, after a year or so of basic training and getting trained to go to Iraq he would be 46 years old. There haven’t been a lot of 45 year-old new recruits since the Civil War. Instead, he goes over to Iraq and Afghanistan and he plays for the troops, he collects money for the troops, and he has never said word one against the troops or the war. What are some of your favorite artists doing? How many of them have gone over to a war zone to play in front of the troops?
As far as Wadical’s comments, he will have to answer for himself.

Sun Aug 06, 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger mistyforeverlost said...

Publius, you have to PAY to see Madonna hanging off a crucific. If you don't want to see it, don't buy the tickets. That is how she is protected to do as she wishes.

As a side note, I never understood how they could show emulated sex on soap opera's during the day but only HBO could have a swear word and have someone topless. Yet to figure out how a side view of the breast during the day was ok, but full view at night was not.

Sun Aug 06, 10:21:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Oops, he's too old. Should've done my homework. Which means he's another one who thinks it's fine and dandy for other people's kids to fight and die while he sings jingoistic songs about a war he's too old to sign up for. Got it now. But it does mean he could've gone over in '90-91, right? But he didn't.

What are my favorite artists doing? Many of them are protesting against the war. What else would you expect? But at least Al Franken's gone over a couple times.

We have TOO MUCH free speech in this country? Oh, my goodness. And I thought we were forever far apart on the Gibson thing...

Mon Aug 07, 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger Rogue Mariner said...

What's more shocking to me is that it's taken Madonna this long to do this. The woman is a master when it comes to self promotion, she's re-invented herself many times over and continues on with a bit of sucess. What exactly is a Sword Carrying Catholic. I must have missed that Sunday at ccd.

Mon Aug 07, 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Rogue, a sword carrying Catholic would be like a Tartar from the Crusades. Not the most pious or devout or even the best follower of the teachings of the Catholic Church, but someone who acts to defend the Church from those who wish to destroy or attack it.

Mon Aug 07, 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Rogue Mariner said...

Oh, Okay. I was raised Catholic, however I haven't been to church in years. And I don't care if people "attack" it, because people have always had a thing for going after the Catholic Church. It's just a real estate scam anyway. You're not a "Holiday Catholic" are you? Those are the worst. I wouldn't look at Madonna as "attacking" the church, she's got an album that isn't selling really well, a tour that is having trouble because ticket prices are through the roof, she's just using it as a tool to help her sell. Once the church condemns something, there are people who just have to go to see what it's all about. She's a smart chick.

Tue Aug 08, 05:30:00 AM  
Blogger Publius said...

Rogue I think she is still one of the worst individuals to walk the planet and the fact that she has made so much money off slandering the Church and religious beliefs and that there are still morons who worship her makes it all the worse.

Tue Aug 08, 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger Sarah said...

Big deal. Madonna has been doing stupid stuff like this for her entire career.

A religious person should be much more anxious about what is going on in the world right now - not Madonna. She is nothing compared to the events that have taken over the world. Madonna is not a threat to civilization. She is a celebrity that gets too much attention.

Mon Aug 14, 12:27:00 AM  

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