Protect and Defend

Welcome to my blog, Protect and Defend. You don’t have to understand me. You only have to agree with me. I can live with losing the good fight, but I can not live with not fighting that good fight at all. - Publius

Saturday, July 15, 2006

Is Osama bin Laden so evil?

I was listening to the Penn Jillette radio show on Thursday or Friday, even though I don’t find it to be all that good of a program, but it was on so I listened; yes the same Penn Jillette or Penn and Teller has his own radio show.
Penn had a caller on the air who was talking about how he believes that the prisoners at Gitmo should be released. The caller said that if Osama was at Gitmo then he could understand why the US would keep prisoners at Gitmo indefinitely, but because the enemy combatants who were being kept at Gitmo were not the important guys they should be allowed a trial and a hearing. But here is the thing; the 19 hijackers on 9-11 killed over 3,000 Americans not Osama. The London bus and subway bombers were not Osama. Osama was not a member of the Buffalo cell found awhile back, Osama was not part of the Canadian cell, and Osama was not part of cell that wanted to blow up underground lines in NYC.
Don’t get me wrong Osama is evil and dangerous and I still want his head on a pike in the middle of Time Square for the world to see. But who is more dangerous? Is it the person who plans the attack or those who carry out the attack? Has Osama actually killed a single American or has he sent those who killed Americans? In some respects those in Gitmo are more dangerous that Osama because they are the ones who are going to strap a bomb to themselves or be the ones who actually plant the bombs in our subways.

For some reason my brain had never made this thought process before. But the question still stands, who is more dangerous, the person who plans the attack or the person who carries out the attack? If the answer is the second one than I think we know that those in Gitmo can not be released or allowed a civilian trial and instead should be kept in Cuba indefinitely.


Blogger quakerdave said...

Who planned the forced march known as "The Trail of Tears"?

Who planned the Armenian genocide?

Who planned the Holocaust?

Who planned the mass starvations in the former USSR?

Who planned the killing fields of Cambodia?

Who planned the Rwandan genocide?

The architects and the builders: can't have one without the other.

Sun Jul 16, 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger Brooke said...

I'm sure that OBL is really a nice guy once you get past all that "jihad" stuff...

Seriously, would you say that Kenneth Lay isn't as evil as the accountant who actually cooked the books?

Or that Hitler wasn't as evil as the Nazi soldiers who actually pushed the Jews into the ovens?

Of course not. *sigh*

Mon Jul 17, 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

QD and Brooke, I think maybe I wasn’t clear here though. We all want to see Osama brought to justice in some form or another, but we forget that he was not one of the 19 hijackers on September 11th, and in fact Osama will probably never actually be the one to pull the trigger or fly the plane that kills a single American. Even if we “cut off the head” the body still exists and the body is what is doing the danger here.

Mon Jul 17, 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger Bobkatt said...

Publius, when you cut off the head the body starves and dies. Without OBL and his money and charisma a lot of the doers would not have the will or the means to carry out a panty raid.
Would a gaggle of hippies have gone on a murderous rampage without Charles Manson? I don't think so.
To waste time comtemplating who is the most evil is a diversionary tactic to take our eye off the ball which is EVIL.
The prisoners in Gitmo are enemy combatants mostly picked up on the battlefield. The danger is that innocent people are picked up in the process. They need to be identified and charged as soon as possible. They need some sort of recourse to state their case but they can't be given a civilian trial because it takes too long and the witnesses are often in Afganistan or Iraq. Remember it took over 5 years to try and convict Zacuria Moussori, however you spell it.

Tue Jul 18, 04:57:00 AM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Without Osama bin Laden, September 11 would just be another day, remembered only for being the birthday of O. Henry and D.H. Lawrence. And Ludacris. If that.

You can't have a war without soldiers and a leader. You can't have a genocide without a demogogue and a frightened, brainwashed population. You can't have "terrorism" without a criminal mind spewing hate and those who are willing to act on that hate.

Tue Jul 18, 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger Publius said...

Bobkatt, sorry but you are wrong. If we get Osama tomorrow it does not mean the war is over. It does not mean that terrorism will not go on. That is the problem with this war. In past “wars” there was someone who could or would wave the white flag and we knew when the war was over. This was has no end until one side is gone. There will be no white flag because there will be no one to wave it.
QD, without OBL we might not have had a 9-11 but we would have some other day instead. Who was the Osama for the London train bombings? The Madrid train bombings? And you can have genocide without a leader. Look at what is going on in Africa and yet who is leading that? Yes there are Muslim radicals who are leading the fight to exterminate all non-Muslims, but there is not one leader over them all.

Tue Jul 18, 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger Brooke said...

Pretty much.

Think, too, on the devastating moral repercussions that OBL's capture/death (can't have one without the other;) ) would have on the sheeople who worship him! In a battle engagement, one should always seek to first take out the officers, and then pick off the infantry in the ensuing chaos, IMHO.

Tue Jul 18, 09:31:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Brooke, I think you have watched The Patriot a few too many time. Imagine an army without leaders…

Wed Jul 19, 12:15:00 AM  

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