Protect and Defend

Welcome to my blog, Protect and Defend. You don’t have to understand me. You only have to agree with me. I can live with losing the good fight, but I can not live with not fighting that good fight at all. - Publius

Saturday, June 17, 2006

Cuba, China and Iran

Ok, I am no expert but from what I have read these are the only counties in the world that ban flag burning; although I seem to recall that Iran loves burning the U.S. flag.

I am not sure where I stand on a Constitutional Amendment to ban flag burning if this information is correct. I have mentioned here and on numerous Kool-Aid blogs that the U.S. is part of only 8% of the countries in the world that do not have an Official Language and the response was that the U.S. should not have to be like the rest of the world on such an important issue. Well, should the U.S. be with the rest of the world on this issue too?

I hate to think that the U.S. would be lumped into the same category on any issue with these three countries, but there are few things that upset me more than seeing someone burn the American flag that they have done nothing to protect. Those who burn the flag are not “defending free speech,” they are making a political statement and we do have laws against free political speech.

I am against flag burning but I would rather our Congress be more worried about making sure we still have a U.S. flag rather than this country falling under the national colors of a different country.


Blogger Mike's America said...

The reason most other nations do not have a flag burning law is simple: They are run by leftists. And lefties only burn flags when right of center folks are in charge.

Sat Jun 17, 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Ok but wouldn’t the communist countries of Cuba and China be more leftist than France or Germany, or any other country for that matter? And Iran is in a way a very right of center government because they are a theocracy.
I just don’t know how good it is to share a common characteristic with these three countries.

Sat Jun 17, 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger betmo said...

i think that we don't need to be touching the constitution for such frivolous reasons. pass a law that specifically says flag burning is a polical no-no and then enforce that. leave the constitution alone.

Sat Jun 17, 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Betmo, once again because I am no lawyer and even less of a constitutional lawyer, I don’t know if you can ban flag burning without it being a Constitutional Amendment. There of course has to be a way around it, I mean there is no Amendment that says porn can’t be sold to a child and yet porn is protected by free speech, so maybe you don’t need the Amendment. But, I am surprised to hear you are against flag burning.

Sat Jun 17, 09:58:00 PM  
Blogger quakerdave said...

Flag burning amendment (n.): a frequently used red herring thrown into the Congressional pool whenever the voting public is so pissed off at its representatives that the only thing said reps think will keep the mob at bay is a hunk of nationalistic red meat.

Burning a flag is in bad taste. it's an action taken by people with no imagination, designed to push other people's emotional buttons.

We don't amend the Constitution for nonsense like this.

... unless our poll numbers really stink.

Sat Jun 17, 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

So QD, would you be for a law that said flag burning was illegal? Is your problem in making it a Constitutional Amendment or do you see no problem with burning the flag?

Sat Jun 17, 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger Sarah said...

I did serious research on this topic. There is a total of 3 flag burnings a year in America. And we need a Constitutional amendment for that? It should be noted that flags are burned when "retired" from service.

Excuse me Mike, but don't throw flag burning at the feet of the "lefties." I've never heard of any "lefties" who burn flags as a rule.

Flag burning is usually done by troubled kids who think anarchy is great.

Quaker Dave is right - nothing but a red herring. Besides, how many "patriotic" American actually KNOW the ways of the flag?

Sun Jun 18, 05:57:00 AM  
Blogger betmo said...

i think that flag burning is ridiculous. there are better ways to express yourself. the problem lies when a 'free' society starts deciding which rights are ok and which- not so much. my personal thought is that there has been much bandying about the amendments to the constitution. i say- there is no reason to amend the constitution- at least none that have been thrown out. the reasons given so far are frivilous and knee jerk. let's find a different way- or no way. i thought conservatives were against government intrusion and usurping rights anyway.

Sun Jun 18, 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger Publius said...

“Republicans” are against bigger government, but not against government intrusion. Republicans are against pornography because it is an industry that destroys almost everyone involved in it and not enough safeguards exist that preventing people under the age of 18 from viewing porn. Republicans are against illegal drugs even if used recreationally and in the home because of the destructive effects they have on a person, on that person’s family, and on society.
I can go on, but Republicans don’t consider law enforcement big government, to Republicans law enforcement is necessary for a safe and productive society.
And Sarah, technically a flag should not be on or part of an article of clothing, and although I am against flag burning I don’t see this as desecrating the flag but celebrating your country if you have a shirt with the flag on it, or a hat. But, no I don’t want to see the flag are a pair of boxers or a bikini.

Sun Jun 18, 10:56:00 PM  
Blogger Carnivore said...

Flag burning. Well what can I say... when properly done as in the retiring of such artical.. yes I am in favor of it. If it is by some punk trying to make a statement out of rebellion... they need to be taken out back behind the woodshed and taught some manners. The same goes for the improper display of the flag... Hanging it incorrectly, or defacing it as it is seen in many protests. All disgusting in my eyes. I think there ought to be an amendment for the protection of our national symbol. If for no other reason to honor those that have died under its banner during a fire fight.
The flag is not just an object, but represents the nation as a whole. This includes the wars fought, the mistakes made, the times of sorrow, and the resistance of failure. Where would the US be if not for such an object that we all can cling to in times of despair. The red white and blue... the men, women, and children that died for us. The depression. If this object of our adoration in national heritage is not protected... than what does that say about us as Americans. It is as sacred as Mom and Apple Pie. The world over sees it on our uniforms... and in turn they trust us, for they know we stand for freedom. Just one of the numerous words that this colored piece of cloth means to others... and not just its citizens.

Think about it... when folks are in trouble... who is there to lend a hand... it is usually the US. Tghis is shown in the flag... when people see this flying in their country.. they know they have a shoulder to lean on in times of trial.

A flag no.... it is much more than just a flag.

Mon Jun 19, 01:33:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Carnivore, good post. I think the flag is much more than just a tri-colored piece of material; it is a symbol of all that is American. Maybe few flags get burned in this country and I have seen more improper displays of the flag than we should have. I think of countries that protest America by burning out flag and there is no doubt in my mind that they know burning the flag does not mean they are expressing their rights to Freedom of Speech, where many of these protests occur the people have no right to Freedom of Speech other than to burn an American flag.
But, I am also concerned with the company we would keep by banning flag burning through a Constitutional Amendment. Do we really want to be in a category with Iran, Cuba, and China? Unless with the recent outbreak of national pride caused by the World Cup, would America banning burning of the symbol of our country lead other countries to do the same? Would England or Ireland or Germany be next? If so, wouldn’t it be a good thing to lead free countries in saying, this is a symbol of our pride and our country and we will not let people destroy that symbol. Or would it lead to more countries like Iran, Cuba, and China to also ban flag burning?
It is a tough question, but not the most important one facing this country right now. It doesn’t come up often, according to Sarah only 3 times a year, so wouldn’t it be better if our Congress came back to it when we solve out bigger problems?

Mon Jun 19, 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger Carnivore said...

True, they do need to focus on more pressing issues. However, it does need to be stated publicly and widely what I left in the previous comment. As for the fear of being likened to the counrties for the following reasons:
1. they do this act for control over a population in an act of agression.
2. They inpose this to oppress people from expressing dissent.
3. They do this to exercise their facist muscle in a form to induce fear/unwilling submission.

on the contrast for the US to do this:
1. Protecting the internationally known symbol of freedom.
2. Perserving a part of the american history in an abstract form, for this symbol represents not just the modern history, but also our roots. Few nations today bear the same flag, or even the resemblence to their original flag as we do.
3. We would do this in honoring those who have fallen to give those that wish to dissent the right to this action.

Tue Jun 20, 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

I will agree with you that there are few national flags that have lasted 200 plus years, or at least as far as I know.
But, what is the true symbolic worth of a $1.99 U.S. flag made in Guatemala?

Wed Jun 21, 08:31:00 PM  

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