Protect and Defend

Welcome to my blog, Protect and Defend. You don’t have to understand me. You only have to agree with me. I can live with losing the good fight, but I can not live with not fighting that good fight at all. - Publius

Wednesday, April 26, 2006

Private Fence

The Minuteman Project has proposed building a fence between the U.S. and Mexico on private lands with the help of private donations. Anyone can help and anyone can donate.
I don’t understand the tax laws, and I doubt there is a single person alive who does, but this donation might be tax deductible so you might be able to give and save at the same time. If the government won’t do its job, maybe the American people need to do it.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Spotz said...

Well, if the Minutemen are a 501c(3) then your donation will be tax deductible, but check with your accounting professional.

If a fence is your highest priority, that's great, more power to you, hope you get a good deal on razor wire. My big donation this year is going to the Wounded Warrior Project.

Thu Apr 27, 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger Oncorhynchus Mykiss said...

I want to know what year should act as the cutoff for who is illegal, who is welcome, who has contributed, and who gets allowed to stay as a result.

I mean if we go back to the 1600s or so, then I guess most whites and blacks should leave and give everything to the Mexicans, most of whom are of Spanish AND native descent, so they have a greater claim to the Americas than myself or people from my race. Then again, if we go back to the start of the States as a sovereign county as our starting point, we should pretty much look at the situation on a state by state basis, determine who was where, and go from there. If we start with this year, then I suppose a wall is the most rational way to delineate who stays and who goes starting today...if you ain't on our side, get the hell out.

My point is that there is no way to make a rational argument for this kind of exclusion, because any reasons and dates are entirely arbitrary. If we feel overcrowded now because of an influx from Mexico, sorry, but I bet the native New Yorkers felt a bit squeezed by the influx of Europeans earlier last century. (Bu,t the difference is that these guys are bringing crime, and they are NOT legal like Ellis Island immigrants!!!!) Immigrants from Europe are romanticized more than those from Mexico and I have no idea why. Both want a better life and both want to capitalize on opportunities available to them in America, and I guarantee that European immigration wasn’t devoid of crime.

Some groups are romanticized because they are escaping religious persecution....well I contend that escaping abject and perpetual poverty should be no less romanticized. Legal vs. illegal to me isn't even a strong argument because illegal immigrants aren’t taking high-paying jobs, and they are effectively “paying” their taxes by accepting ultra-low wages in the underground economy. I am not an economic expert and know less about immigration issues than Pube for sure, but I just don’t get the hostility toward Mexican immigrants. I would love to hear an argument that I couldn't call arbitrary. Please for the love of God don't say national security, that rationale has become a joke. You can only go so far capitalizing on the deaths of thousands of folks on 9/11 to support your domestic causes.

Thu Apr 27, 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think a fence is really going to stop anything or anyone. These people are willing to risk their lives to get here, and you and the Minutemen think a fence is going to stop them...money well wasted. Thanks to Spotz for mentioning the Wounded Warrior Project, I hadn't heard of it until now. Checked it out, definately a worthy cause.

Thu Apr 27, 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Publius said...

This is long, but I have discussed most of what you three have mentioned.

I hate to do this, but, the fence would work. The House Bill HR 4437 proposed to build a fence that was 700 miles long and everyone said no one can build a fence that long because it wouldn’t work. Well Israel has built a 400 mile fence and that was to protect themselves from people who wanted to become religious martyrs by blowing themselves up along with innocent Israelis. With the exception of the recent suicide bombing, the fence has worked. Now who do you think is more determined to get by a fence, people who want to become religious martyrs and kill others or people who want to come here illegally to work?
Also, the U.S. and Mexico border is about 1,900 miles long, so why doesn’t the government want to build a fence 1,900 miles long? Well, already there are fences in some of the more highly populated areas like San Diego and there are no fences on rivers like the Rio Grande, although people swim across the river to get here illegally too. Estimates show that the 700 mile fence would prevent about 90% of the illegal immigration that occurs each year and with over a million illegally crossing each year and with more than half being successful this would severely cut down on the numbers who enter. At the same time, along with 90% of the human smuggling that occurs over the border, it is also estimated that the wall would cut down on 90% of the illegal drugs smuggled into the country as well. Only two groups in Mexico have any power, the corrupt government and the drug cartels, and the drug cartels make their money by smuggling in drugs to the U.S. The mules that sneak the drugs in get paid and are rewarded for their work by staying in the U.S. as well. The U.S. does not make cocaine or opium and these drugs have to be imported from somewhere, often illegally over the border.
Right now there are over 50,000 illegal immigrants in the California Prison system alone. I have said this before, but at a cost of housing, feeding, and providing services to a prisoner costs the California taxpayer around $15,000 to $20,000 a year. On the low end that equals $750,000,000 per year.
In addition, people who are here illegally do not get health insurance, but no one can be turned away from an Emergency Room regardless of health insurance, so those who go to the Emergency Room are treated and billed, but with no permanent residence and with no legal status these bills often go unpaid. But, it’s not like the hospitals can just take hits to their profits like this, so they have to overcharge those with insurance. Ever wonder why a hospital charges $50 for an Aspirin? You have to pay because they don’t which is one of the reasons why Healthcare costs so much in this country.
In almost every state, with a few exceptions, illegal immigrants can not obtain a driver’s license and therefore are not qualified to drive and because they do not have a driver’s license they also do not have auto insurance. How many of the 12 million illegal immigrants in this country do you think drive with a license or insurance? What happens when one of them gets into an accident? Your insurance has to pay when the other driver has no insurance. Think your auto insurance is too high?
Not all produce that you buy in the grocery stores comes from the U.S. or do you think the U.S. grows lettuce in the winter? Can you tell the difference between produce grown in the U.S. and produce grown in another country? But, I am sure the prices would skyrocket if there were no illegal immigrants working as migrant workers because the media tells us so. Or maybe you think the U.S. grows bananas?
I understand that people feel bad for those who come from poor countries where they can not feed their families and do not make the same wages as people here in America. But, nowhere on Earth do people make as much as they do in America and nowhere on Earth has the same opportunities as people do in America, does not mean we should let everyone in who is poor? Right now the U.S. allows more legal immigrants than every other country in the world combined, and with illegal and legal immigration adds more than 1 million people each year. Legal immigration alone adds more than 400,000 people to the population each year as well from people around the world including countries like Mexico. We do more than the rest of the world combined and yet we are supposed to do more?
Oh, and the argument for national security is still plausible. We say no terrorists have come over the Mexican border but only about 60% of those who come illegally across the border are from Mexico and nearly 15% are from Asia and the Middle East. That means that 150,000 illegal aliens cross the border into the U.S. from countries that terrorist groups operate in like Iran, Indonesia, the Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Because we have not had a terrorist attack from someone who illegally crossed to border somehow means it can’t happen? If I smoke and I have not gotten cancer yet, I guess it means it can’t happen either huh? That is the same logic; I might as well keep smoking because I haven’t gotten cancer yet.
Oh, and Spotz, people can give to more than one group, and as we know your big donation probably wont be to the Wounded Warrior Project and more likely to the ACLU, but thanks for playing.

Thu Apr 27, 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Spotz said...

Whoa, there big fella. Are you calling me a liar?

Thu Apr 27, 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Well you have said previously that you give to the ACLU, but in your post here you seemed to assume that if I gave to the Minuteman Project that would be the extent of my donating as if I can only donate to one group at a time. Using your logic from that post, and your undying support for the ACLU, it leads one to believe that your money would be going to the ACLU not the Wounded Warriors. Or is it possible that to donate to more than one group too? You seemed to express that my money was only going to one cause.

Thu Apr 27, 02:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Spotz said...

I believe I made the distinction by saying big donation. Of course I give to more than one group.

Good luck on that fence. Worked out well for Berlin.

Thu Apr 27, 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Actually, the Berlin Wall worked extremely well. Berlin is located in the former East Germany, and once the wall was built around West Berlin the city was completely cut off from using the power grids of East Germany and the Soviets blocked all railroad and street access to West Berlin. To prevent West Berlin from completely falling into communist hands, the U.S., Britain, France, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa began to airlift supplies into West Berlin beginning on June 25, 1948 and lasting for 324 days. At its peak the Berlin Airlift was landing a supply plane into West Berlin every minute; ultimately 278,228 flights were made and 2,326,406 tons of food and supplies were delivered to Berlin. The blockade ended on May 11, 1949.
But, you are right, the Berlin Wall was ineffective, it only took three of the world’s superpowers and three other nations to get around the wall by using billons of dollars and flying aircrafts over another nation’s airspace everyday and every minute for almost a year.

Thu Apr 27, 10:38:00 PM  
Blogger Oncorhynchus Mykiss said...

Haha. nice use of Wikipedia

Thu Apr 27, 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger Publius said...

Well, I have been told I misrepresent the truth, stretch the truth, and don’t tell the truth. I knew enough about the Berlin Blockade before, but I figured I better have all my facts straight or some people would miss the message and get too concentrated on a misstatement. Or it seems some people would focus too much on where I got the information.

Fri Apr 28, 11:37:00 AM  

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